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27 November 2010 @ 08:07 pm
The funny thing is, it was a perfectly gentle handshake  
None of that squeezing hard to show the other guy how tough you are.



From (I think) 1977 or so, this convention shot shows Kirk Alyn and Jackson Bostwick shaking hands. Bostwick had just played Captain Marvel in the live-action CBS Saturday morning snoozer errr show, and Alyn of course was the star of two Superman serials in the late 1940s.
 
 
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michaeldoty on November 28th, 2010 05:53 am (UTC)
Hey! Shouldn't they be beating the hell out of each other instead of shaking hands?

Prior to seeing this photo, I thought Alyn had only worn the Superman costume once after the serials (it was a 1960 appearance in which he wore one of George Reeves' suits). I had seen two photos from this era in which Alyn was standing in a phone booth and another in which he had his costume draped over his arm, but I never thought he would suit up again. How amusing.
dr_hermes on November 28th, 2010 06:00 pm (UTC)
Hearing about Kirk Alyn wearing one of George Reeves' suit reminded how surprised I was to have read years ago that they were both 6'1". Reeves just seemed much more imposing and bigger on the screen. Maybe it was body language. I have a copy of the episode where he meets Chuck Connors, maybe I'll pop in and compare.

Marvel really started the convention of super-heroes beating on each other for little reason. DC and other publishers would sometimes do a story where two heroes clashed because of mind control or whatever, but Marvel made it a routine. I always wondered why there weren't more hard feelings after everything was explained. ("Daredevil, huh? That guy started punching me last month without even asking who I was!")
m_faustus on November 28th, 2010 11:03 pm (UTC)
I have very found memories of the fight between Superduperman and Captain Marbles from Mad Magazine.
dr_hermes on November 28th, 2010 11:44 pm (UTC)
A great story, starting the high point of the early MAD. At the time, of course DC was suing Fawcett to try to get Captain Marvel off the stands. Maybe a year later, they got the way. I'm sure Kurtzman, Gaines and Wood knew about this, they were in the industry. But I wonder if the average fan picking up both ACTION COMICS and CAPTAIN MARVEL ADVENTURES had any idea the heroes were (in a way) already locked in a fight.
michaeldoty on November 29th, 2010 03:58 am (UTC)
Here's a link to the picture of Kirk Alyn wearing a George Reeves costume, from the excellent The Adventures Continue website:

http://www.jimnolt.com/Graphics/kirkcostume.JPG

The obligatory Superman/Captain Marvel slugfest was one cliche I grew tired of quickly. It seemed like every time they met, they'd get in a fight. Here's the ones I remember off the top of my head:

-Superman #276 (1974), in which Supes met "Captain Thunder", a thinly disguised Big Red Cheese with a sunburst insignia
-Superman vs. Shazam, a tabloid-sized "All-New Collectors Edition" from the mid 70s
-Justice League of America #137 (1977)
-An issue of All-Star Squadron from the mid-80s
-Kingdom Come #4 (1996)
-Superman: Distant Fires, an Elseworlds tale from the mid-90s
-An episode of Justice League Unlimited

It was refreshing to see Supes and Cap actually teaming up without fighting in the Justice maxi-series from a few years back. I was actually a bit surprised.
dr_hermes on November 29th, 2010 09:03 am (UTC)
Thanks for the link, and for pointing out that site. I hadn't seen either before.

The frequent brawling between Superman and Captain Marvel feels wrong to me because, going by their classic characterizations, they are the two least likely to get into a fight without very good reason.
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